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Trading JRich E-mail
Written by del   
Wednesday, 21 March 2007

A recurring topic of conversation when your team hasn't been in the playoffs for 13 years is how to improve the team.  Can we trade player X for a superstar? Can we trade scrub 1,2,3,4 for a superstar?  Can we trade 3 wing players for a center or power forward.  Once the laughter dies down you are left with the trades that might make sense and the players that could make up those trades.

 

JRich is one of the players who comes up frequently, because he has some value, to us.  He has been the Warriors best player, but he is a 2 guard and unless your last name is Wade, Allen or Bryant, you can be replaced.   To illustrate my point on JRich as a trade discussion point, here is a graph of messages in which trade jrich appeared so far this season.  We are only a little more than half way through March, but you get the point.

 

 

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Now today from MTII we get another article on either Baron or JRich being gone in the off season.  MT II's reasoning is money, salary cap and the luxury tax.  I think a better reason is skills.   Second tier 2 guards aren't a dime a dozen, but they are far easier to get than say a talented big man.  Think Fantasy Footbal drafting, what round do you draft a tight end in?  Most people draft them pretty late because once you get past the top 2 or 3 the next 20 are all about equal.

With all the scorers on the team now, Richardson's point productivity isn't as critical as it once was.  The premium is now on his rebounding, he is amongst the best rebounding shooting guards, and defense.  His ability to get to the rim isn't what it once was, compare him to Monta Ellis, who do you give the ball to and say drive to the rim in the 4th quarter?

What could we get for Jrich?  Lot's of suggestions on that one trade that has some appeal came up and Chase addressed it:

 

Richardson for Milicic makes some sense for both teams. The Magic have their blue-chip big. Howard is already a stud and he's going to get better and better... what they lack is a consistent scoring option on the perimeter to complement Howard and Jason fits the bill. On the W's side, they have the perimeter firepower. As talented as Jason is, he's not a 7-footer. He can't rebound and alter shots the way Milicic can. If the W's do have interest in Milicic, they'll need to move salary in the deal because he's due for an extension. They can't trade expiring salary for Milicic unless they're willing to take a tax hit this off-season to re-sign him and an even bigger hit when it comes time to pay Ellis and Biedrins.

If the W's are interested in Milicic, Richardson is the logical trade chip... Orlando isn't taking Stephen Jackson. The ex-Pacers can't be used in combo. trades. Pietrus and filler is a difficult deal due to the tax complications discussed above and the fact that Darko is more valuable than Mickael. We'll see how it goes. I think it's a reasonable deal on the W's end, but I'm not too crazy about the idea of sacrificing a pick in what should be a very talented draft.

 

So if we can use JRich as a chip to trade for a big man do we make the move?  I think so, not because I don't like JRich, but because with Pietrus and Azubuike the drop off in talent is not as great as the potential increase in talent from getting an athletic big man.

 

 

 
Playoff Push Pack No Longer Available E-mail
Written by Administrator   
Thursday, 01 March 2007

I feel guilty posting this, but it is too funny .  So maybe this can inject a little humor into otherwise playoff less warriors fan life.

 

Welcome!
Please wait while we contact the next available agent...
You are now speaking with Rep!
Rep: Hi! My name is Rep. How may I help you?
you : Hi, what's up.. I was wondering if the Playoff Push Pack is still available
you : I really want to go to the Warriors playoffs game
you : hello?
you : are you still there
Rep: We actually have something even more efficient for fans. We can garauntee you Playoff rights, plus first rights for seats next year. Are you interested in this instead?
you : what year are the playoff rights?
Rep: This current season
you : Do you watch Warrior games lately?
you : do you really think they are going to make the playoffs this season?
Rep: I work at the Front Office of the Warriors, therefore, I see every game. Do you want to sign up for the playoffs?
you : do you have the 2009 playoff push package
you : i don't think they are making it this year
you : what if they don't make the playoffs when i buy the package
you : do i get refund back
Rep: I think we have a great shot once Baron David returns. We are only 3 games out of the 8 spot, so Yes I absolutely think we will make it. Do you want to sign up?
you : hehehe funny even Nellie said the season is over
you : already lost 4 in a row man, have u seen the schedule
you : 26-33
Rep: See above for my answer
you : see below for my answer
you : NO

 

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Warriors Need Athletic Big Man E-mail
Written by Chase   
Wednesday, 24 January 2007

Dicuss this in the forum 

 

W's receive:
Tyrus Thomas

Grizzlies receive:
Monta Ellis
Mickael Pietrus
PJ Brown
Knicks' '07 pick, via Chicago

Bulls receive:
Pau Gasol


GS - They trade two talented perimeter players for a F prospect who could address the team's defensive and rebounding woes in the not-too-distant future. Ellis has a lot of potential and Pietrus has been solid this season, but Mickael could well be a tax casualty and the W's are set at PG with Baron Davis. Thomas lacks ideal size at the PF position, but he's an ultra-athletic F who runs the floor, rebounds and projects well defensively... the perfect guy for an uptempo attack, imo. Plus, he's cheaper for longer than Monta, which means less of a tax hit in the one year where Ellis' extension would overlap Foyle's final year.

PG Davis/Jasikevicius
SG Richardson/Azubuike
SF Jackson/Barnes
PF Harrington/Thomas
C Biedrins/Foyle-Powell-O'Bryant

Memphis - moves Gasol in a goody bag deal, but they nab their PG of the future in Monta Ellis. They also clear cap space with PJ's expiring deal, get a half season to audition Mickael Pietrus, whom West liked coming out of France, and they add the Knicks' first round pick. All in all, not a bad take for the Grizzlies.

Chicago - they get Pau Gasol. He balances out their offensive attack, gives them a franchise four to pair with Ben Wallace up front. Hinrich/Gordon/Duhon/Thabo/Deng/Nocioni/Gasol/Wallace... the Bulls would be a very scary team.

 

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Trade Evaluation: Warriors Greatly Improve Playoff Chances E-mail
Written by SinCity   
Saturday, 20 January 2007

 The 8 player trade that Chris Mullin pulled off this week was an excellent trade for Golden State.  They were extremely lucky to get anyone to take on Mike Dunleavy and Troy Murphy’s contracts.  Dunleavy has been a colossal failure and has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was not worth being a first round draft pick let alone a top three pick.  He will be a serviceable journeyman type professional for several years, but he will never be anything more than a role player on a very good team.  

They will miss Murphy's defensive rebounding ability and his ability to score in the teams half court sets, however, the gain in athleticism that they acquired along with Al Harrington and Stephen Jackson will more than offset any loss of talent that was sent to Indiana.  

The key for the Pacers was young Power Forward Ike Diogu and down the road Diogu could be a force on the offensive end of the floor, however his lack of size, defense and basketball IQ would never allow him to flourish on a Don Nelson team.  While Josh Powell does not have the upside of Diogu, he does have better size and a much better overall feel for the game of basketball.  

Keith McLeod who was acquired in the Derek Fisher trade was not really a contributor to the Warriors playoff hopes and perhaps the biggest upgrade of this trade is the addition of a true Point Guard and shooting specialist Sarunis Jasicavicius.  The Lithuanian guard has won championships overseas and Olympic medals for his country and will add a toughness and confidence to the backcourt and the Warriors finally have a point guard that can run a pick and roll with Andris Biedrins.  

The team got a lot more athletic and increased their toughness and basketball IQ by ten fold.  Jackson really knows how to play the game and will thrive under Nelly.  He is really looking for a fresh start and is extremely happy to be back in the western conference.  Harrington will play well with Baron Davis and although he really doesn't rebound well for a power forward, I believe that he will give the warriors a low post presence on the offensive end that they have not had since Chris Webber.  

The team is going to be really deep when everybody is healthy and playing together and really the only piece they are missing now is a tall athletic rebounding PF/C because they are really going to have a hard time getting rebounds with the current roster.  The guards will have to rebound more and hopefully Biedrins can continue to improve in that area.  

Another area they will struggle is in the half court or when teams can slow them down in transition, but their transition game should really be improved and toward the end of the game they will have a lot of players capable of getting to the rim or getting fouled.  

Overall Mullin did a great job in addressing the needs of the roster and I like their chances of making the playoffs much more than I did before this deal went down

 
Warriors Fan Reactions To The Trade E-mail
Written by Administrator   
Wednesday, 17 January 2007
Barnett's reduced use of the phrases "cerebral" and "basketball IQ" will be inversely proportional to the number of concealed weapons in the locker room.

           -Undocumented Lurker

Those two clowns got their chances. Got their years of experience. Got plenty of positive treatment, endless patience and support from the coaching staff, who did every conceivable thing to help them succeed for 5+ years (with the exception of Muss).
And they delivered squat.
See you later.

            -DC

I find it fitting that on Dun's last game here, he was booed. Maybe, subconciously, we all knew.

            -Flex Kavana

Mark my words, Dunleavy will perform like a WNBA all star

              -AB's hair gel

Don't be surprised if like so many ex-warriors...

Murph & Dun blow up in Indy (I kind of expect Ike to excel). We needed to get rid of them, but part of the Warrior curse is that ex-players suddenly become better elsewhere.

              -MG in LA

I thought if ANYBODY could "save" Dunleavy and bring out the best in him, it would be Nellie with his up-tempo style and utilization of the "point-forward" concept.
But, despite the table being set for him (named a captain, given a green light, small ball, etc..) he just disappeared.
Finally, as my patience wore thin, the missed layups, the soft non-finishes, the reluctance to finish strong, the whiny complaints to ref's just got harder and harder to take
My buddies that I play ball with that I argued with about him have been told they were right.
I was just wrong, too naively optimistic that he would some day "get it" and show he can be an NBA baller.
He is soft. He is timid. He is weak, both physically and mentally. Then, to truly tip the scales, he became way overpaid.
I'm not sorry to see him gone.
Ike's the only guy I think we'll miss long term.

            -Leo

I think Sarunas and Jackson will make as much impact as AH. We have a very balanced roster right now. As far as Pacer's roster...hmmm..not sure what they are thinking about there. Of course, you can plug pretty much anybody next to Jermaine, but come on...The Murphy's contract is one of the worst in the NBA. Perhaps Bird sees something in Diogu and Dunleavy to take upon Murphy;s contract and to get rid of 3 very solid Pacers players. Good trade for the Warriors, no doubts.

            -Fandorin

If Al Harrington immediately forgets how to shoot the 3 and only shoots jumpers..

If Sarunas turns into a shorter Dunleavy...
If Stephen Jackson gets 30 minutes a night and drives me crazy....
If Ike becomes an Eastern All-Star PF...
I'll still feel great about this trade because we dumped Dunleavy's and Murphy's contracts. Just purely on a salary cap analysis, this trade is great.
Now add the fact that Harrington is a better player than either Murphy or Dunleavy and that he's also cheaper.
Now add that Sarunas gives them a legitimate backup PG who is better than McLeod and keeps Monta as a scorer instead of a faux PG.
Suddenly, any analysis of this deal by non-Warriors fans that says that Harrington is a horse with a horn glued on just doesn't mean a damn thing. This is a great trade.
Period.
End of discussion.

           -Shallow Hal

seriously did we lose ANYTHING at all in this trade?

Murfleavy and McLeod are negatives to this team
Ike is a positive, but since Nellie doesn't play him anyway, we don't lose much by losing him.
instead, we get Al, Jax, Jake, even Josh, who all should flourish under Nellie's scheme

           -gswfan4ever

 
Indiana's Take On The Trade E-mail
Written by Administrator   
Wednesday, 17 January 2007

Warriors fans seem to have very strong feelings on Murphleavy with even the strongest supporters giving up defending the players.  Dunleavy supporters have finally had to give up the mantra of 'Potential' as lil' Dun enters his 5th season without showing any ability to step it up.  Maybe his jersey throwing ejection hissy fit is the height of his career.

So, why does Indiana make this trade?  What are their opinions on their incoming players?

 

Bird talks about Dunleavy being an effective rebounder.  "If you can't rebound you can't control the boards"  Dunleavy is a 'great' rebounder.  Murphy is a 'good' rebounder, and rebounding is what Ike does.  We have all watched Murphleavy, Murph rebounds when he is the only rebounder, but alongside Biedrins Murph's rebounds have gone down.  Dunleavy is a below average rebounder for his positiion, other than the Clippers game Monday, Dunleavy dissapoints in his rebounding.  Ike gets rebounds but often it is from his own misses in the low post because of his inability to make baskets over larger defenders.  So Larry, what are you thinking?

The Rick Carlisle Show   with commentary from Bird and Rick on the trade.  Good shooter, Dunleavy is a horrible shooter, the myth of Dunleavy as a good shooter is something that i just can't understand.  Dunleavy shot 40% last year from the field and 28% from 3 point land in 68 starts.  Off the bench this year he is significantly better, but many of his baskets come at the end of uncontested games.  Dunleavy is at his best when the game isn't on the line.  Talks about Dunleavy as a Reggie Miller type guy.

Rick Barry on Sirius with Fred Carter on the trade.  Fred thinks  Indiana got the better end of the deal.  Looking at just the numbers, Murphy looks good. Yes, he has pretty numbers.  Rick thinks Murphy playing with the Pacers in a set play half court set will be better for him.  Double  double guy.  No one ever seems to mention that  whoever Murphy is playing against will have more points and more rebounds.  Basketball IQ discussion on Dunleavy again, yes we have all heard that.  His IQ when missing open shots is higher than anyone else in the league.

 

Looking at +/- from 82games.com  

 

Murphy       -2.7                Harrington      -3.5

Dunleavy     -0.6                Jackson          +1.2

Diogu          +0.7               Jasikivicius      +1.4

McLeod        -3.8               Powell             -27.0

 
Warriors get more atheltic, dump salary in 8 player trade E-mail
Written by Administrator   
Wednesday, 17 January 2007

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The Warriors get more athletic and dump salary in 8 player trade with Indiana.  Diogu , Murph leavy , and McLeod on the way out. Jackson , Harrington , Powell and Jasikeviscius come to the Warriors.  80+ million in salary over the next 5 years goes with the departing Warriors.

Murphy a decent outside shooter but slow footed defender, Dunleavy a good passer but poor shooter and outside defender along with Diogu an undersized low post player who struggles in an up tempo style of play, along with McLeod the lone holdover from the Fisher trade with Utah, all leave the Warriors.

Murphleavy has seen little playing time even with extensive injuries to other warriors.  Matt Barnes a training camp invitee has been outplaying Murphleavy, and Diogu has been glued to the bench even though he can score inside and hits his free throws.

More re-arranging deck chairs on the titanic, or a move to get under the luxury tax threshhold in order to have money to sign Pietrus, Biedrins and Monta Ellis?   You can't question something needed to be done with all of the innefective front court players that were supposed to thrive in Don Nelson's up tempo style, but ended up having all of their shortcomings exposed instead.

More on the warriors official site

 

 

 

 

 Year06/07
07/08
08/09
09/10
10/11
Al Harrington
7,625,000
8,425,625
9,226,250
10,026,875
 
Stephen Jackson
6,120,000
6,630,000
7,140,000
7,650,000
 
Sarunas Jasikevicius
4,000,000
4,000,000
   
 17,745,000
19,055,625
16,366,250
17,676,875
 
Troy Murphy
8,285,714
9,206,349
10,126,984
11,047,619
11,968,619
Mike Dunleavy
7,438,016
8,219,008
9,000,000
9,780,992
10,561,984
Ike Diogu
2,137,200
2,286,360
2,912,822
3,946,874
 
 17,860,930
19,711,717
22,039,806
24,775,485
22,530,237
Cap Relief
115,930
656,092
5,673,556
7,098,610
22,530,237
 
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